Perennial AF

Perennial AF

Hosted by: Savanna Institute

The Savanna Institute's podcast and blog about perennial agroforestry (AF) features interviews, questions from listeners, inside jokes, and more. Subscribe to Perennial AF to hear real AF conversations with some of...

Episodes

Wes Jackson and Selena Warsaw-Lane Receive Deep Roots and New Shoots Awards at the 2026 Perennial Farm Gathering

The Savanna Institute’s Deep Roots Award recognizes an individual for a lifetime of achievement advancing the science, practice, and adoption of perennial agriculture, and was presented this year to Wes Jackson,...
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At the World Congress on Agroforestry in Kigali, Rwanda with Lily Hislop and Jenn Ripp

The 6th World Congress on Agroforestry was held October 20-24th in Kigali, Rwanda, and staff members Lily Hislop and Jenn Ripp were in attendance. Hear their interviews with other attendees and their reflections on...
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“Living Roots: The Promise of Perennial Foods” Book Discussion with Liz Carlisle and Aubrey Streit Krug

“Living Roots: The Promise of Perennial Foods”, a new book co-edited by Dr. Liz Carlisle and Dr. Aubrey Streit Krug, will launch at the upcoming Perennial Farm Gathering in Dubuque, Iowa on March 12th. In this...
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Dos and Don’ts of Silvopasture By Subtraction in Wisconsin with Stefania Cartoni-Casamitjana and Diane Mayerfeld

Silvopasture researchers Stefania Cartoni-Casamitjana and Diane Mayerfeld describe the lessons they’ve learned from their research on silvopasture establishment by woodland thinning in southern Wisconsin, and share...
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“Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away” - Annie Duke Book Review with Erin Crooks Lynch

Host Jacob Grace discusses the book "Quit" by professional poker player Annie Duke with his coworker Erin Crooks Lynch. When is quitting a good thing? How do lessons from the book apply to perennial agriculture? Show...
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Stockbroker to Black Currant Breeder: The Dick McGinnis Story with Lily Hislop

Dick McGinnis, a black currant breeder based in British Columbia, began his career as a stockbroker before devoting many years to developing cold-hardy, blight-resistant black currant varieties. The Savanna Institute...
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1,281 Hours of Birds: Bioacoustic Monitoring with Nate Lawrence

In 2024, Savanna Institute began a bioacoustic monitoring program to record the sounds of birds and other wildlife each morning and evening at one of our research farms. Ecosystem scientist Nate Lawrence explains the...
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Tree Crops: A Permanent Agriculture by J. Russell Smith - Part 1

Host Jacob Grace reads from the first three chapters of Tree Crops: A Permanent Agriculture by J. Russell Smith, first published in 1929. This book, which is now in the public domain, has been extremely influential in...
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“Doing the Work You Can’t Not Do” with Sallie Calhoun

Sallie Calhoun, founder of the #NoRegrets Initiative and owner of Paicines Ranch on California's central coast, talks with staff member Jenn Ripp about how she got started ranching, her experiences as a...
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Rusted Plowshare Farm Tour with Josh Payne

Farmer Josh Payne leads a tour of his farm in central Missouri and describes his management of beef cattle, sheep, and hogs in a rotational grazing silvopasture system with chestnuts and additional agroforestry crops.
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Hoch Orchard Part 2: Carmelita Gardens, Belize (2025 Interview)

Harry and Jackie Hoch describe their work establishing tropical agroforestry in Carmelita Gardens, Belize, and discuss what has happened with their farmland in Minnesota since the 2018 interview heard in the previous...
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Hoch Orchard Part 1: Southeast Minnesota (2018 Farm Tour)

Hear an audio tour of Hoch Orchard and Gardens in southeastern Minnesota in this archival recording from 2018. Harry and Jackie Hoch describe their systems for organic apple and cider production, orchard management...
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